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Reblogged from arudem
arudem:
miniar:
So.. where do I begin?
I am otherkin, at least by the definition of he term, as far as I understand it… and this is a problematic thing to be.
Not because of other people, but because of other otherkin.
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You see, most of the other otherkin I’ve met on the world wide web are self-important, self-obsessed, arrogant dick-heads.
They don’t just behave poorly, they behave less than poorly and they expect the whole world to bend over backwards to reward them for it, and when it doesn’t they cry foul, oppression, even “racism”.
They use and abuse terminology that doesn’t belong to them and they’ll go out of their way to justify it whenever questioned.
In other words, most online otherkin are the sort of people that you’d tell to stop agreeing with you because they’re making your side of the argument look bad.
Of course, this isn’t “all” otherkin I’ve met, but it’s a lot of them, and many of these individuals tend to gravitate towards the same haunts.
Back in the day, the otherkin circle jerk was on the old MSN message boards. It was a cesspool wherein people seemed to race around trying to be the most special, unique, and powerful thing around.
Today, the race has changed, as has the venue. There are still those going for unique and powerful snowflake, but most of today’s “more-otherkin-than-you” racers are focused on how tragic their life today is, because they’re in the wrong body, a human body.
Instead of dealing with life, people wallow in their beliefs.
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The asshole otherkin seems to view this not as a “belief” but some undeniable fact of their existence, that they’re essentially trans-species.
Not that this would do anything really to remove the tarnish from the label, it’s been judged in the court of “public opinion” and decided to be rubbish, largely because “your beliefs are stupid, therefore you’re a sad example of stupid” sort of reactions but in no small part because of whiny, self-righteous otherkin and their reactions there-to, for example; the self-proclaimed “community leaders” that step up to the plate with completely harmful rhetoric, dripping with conceitedness.
bah…
This is getting long and ranty…
Here’s the TL;DR version;
I guess I’m otherkin, but I don’t like it, cause otherkin are a big bag of dicks.
A few points, mostly about that bold section.
No Otherkin or Therian has ever said that we are “oppressed” without being called out at once by the rest of the community.
Actually, this is untrue.
There are several communities and have been in the past, where the proclamations of oppression have been a staple of the circle-jerk.
Secondly, there isn’t such a thing as “the” otherkin community (aside from the forum that uses that name). There are several communities, many of which that purposely seperate themselves from any dissent or disagreeing voice what so ever.
So it’s effectively impossible for “the” otherkin community as a whole to rise up and call out every claim of oppression.
Terms cannot be appropriated. Words are elements of communication, the building block of memes (I don’t mean Internet memes like “Fus Ro Dah” and such — read Dawkins, “The Selfish Gene”). No being can own them unless the a)made them up and b)trademarked them.
As elements of communication, words are things that have an agreed upon meaning. If we begin using the word table to mean a car, a desk and dinner as well as a table, the word looses it’s meaning, it’s purpose, and becomes useless, because cars, desks and dinner aren’t tables.
Now, I agree I used flawed wording, but the point still stands.
By taking words that have a specific meaning, one that is established and refers to scientifically documented things, and applying it to unrelated experiences, we are depriving the word of it’s meaning, and depriving the original meaning of the word which was the means of expressing that meaning.
A phantom limb is an area of the body that does not exist physically, that the brain receives signals from. Just because we’re saying that we have them, isn’t saying that amputees don’t.
This point is a straw man.
I made no such statement.
However, it’s uncertain whether “phantom limb” is an appropriate term for the otherkin experience as far as I see it, due to the glaring differences between the phantom limbs of amputees, and the “phantom limbs” of otherkin.
Namely, the difference between disrupted neurological signals and spiritual belief.
There is no reason to believe that our brains get a neurological signal from a pair of wings, for example, as they aren’t connected to our nervous system.
Dysphoria and dysmorphia mean, literally, a discordance of selfimage with the physical body. Just because that happens to us doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen to trans* beings, beings with an eating disorder, etc.
Dysphoria, as a transgender topic, refers to the this discordance, yes, but the prevailing theory of gender dissonance is the theory of brain gender, one that has considerable evidence behind it at this time.
The dysphoria then being a symptom of what happens when the neurological structures of the brain that control gender identity do not match the physical sex of the person involved.
It is impossible to have the neurological structure of a non-human being as a human being on account of being a human being.
Never the less, these two terms are not the only ones that don’t quite work for me and in fact I can see the use of these terms, so it’s not these that I refer to specifically with my broad statement.
The terms that most bother me include, for example, Disassociative Identity Disorder. That is to say, when a person, believing that they are, for spiritual reasons (walk-ins, group reincarnation, etc) multiple souls in one body, decide to refer to themselves as having DID (without any qualified diagnosis involved) rather than multiple. These people often even begin championing on behalf of people with DID to be considered “normal”, failing to understand the clinical definition of “disorder” at all.
The only reason we’d be “invalidating” other beings’s identities by using “their” terms (which they don’t really own - nobody does) was if we were making this all up. You say that you’re otherkin; you should know that it’s not “made up”, but is, in fact, a core aspect of who we are.
Actually, I think I pointed out that I don’t “know” that it’s not “made up”.
I pointed out that being otherkin is about a belief.
An improvable belief that we aren’t 100% human.
We can show, through neurological research, that there’s some proof suggesting that transgender people really are who they say they are, who they feel they are.
We can not show that angels even existed, at all, ever, anywhere.
We can not show that elves even existed, at all, ever, anywhere.
We can no more prove our being otherkin than we can prove the existence of any god.
We “believe”.
There’s a difference between facts and beliefs.
Yes, our beliefs have shaped us, become irremovable parts of “who we are” but they haven’t become factual truths as to what we are in the process.
That’s the difference.
In addition, what are we supposed to do? We wish to have a discussion about our experiences We’re trying to use words that others will understand — that’s how language works.
We have to use the closest appropriate term, in such a way that shows we understand the term we use. This doesn’t mean not using words because others are using them, that is not at all what I am saying, but to use our words accurately, or as accurately as we can. (Which, ironically enough, I know I have failed to some extent, but I am able to admit that and reword, clarify, and apologize where appropriate.)
In relation to the next-to-last bolded section: It is an undeniable fact of my existence. However, I don’t really fit the profile of your “asshole Otherkin”.
Already stated this… but it bears repeating;
We “believe”.
There’s a difference between facts and beliefs.
Yes, our beliefs have shaped us, become irremovable parts of “who we are” but they haven’t become factual truths as to what we are in the process.
Now that last bit: “self proclaimed community leaders”? Are Tsu, Snow, Jarandhel, or Orion Sandstorm “self proclaimed”? No. They earned the community’s respect by producing excellent work, by being helpful, and, well, generally leader-like.
Have they proclaimed themselves community leaders?
Have they inserted themselves into discussions and debates with shit-flinging, self-righteous, narcissistic drivel?
If no, then I must not have been referring to them, have I?
In other words, this right there is another strawman.
Jarandhel and I have been around the same circles a few times.
Been a while since we spoke to one another, but last I remember, our conversations were of mutual respect, so yeah, I… oh, and just now, since I felt the need to look ‘em up, just to see when we last spoke… well, what do you know, your example of a respectable, helpful leader of the community agrees with me….
TL;DR I guess you’re otherkin, but I don’t like it, because you use all the arguments that completely uninformed “trolls” (for lack of a better term) commonly do. And you offer no evidence.
You may think that this is arguments from trolls, but you might wanna take a look around, and see how “uninformed” some of these arguments really are. The evidence is all around you.